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  CNN    Piers Morgan Tonight    News/Business.  (2013)  

    January 31, 2013
    9:00 - 10:00pm PST  

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nothing underscores the importance of the issue of guns in america quite like the story today. a shooting outside a middle school in atlanta. two student, bear in mind, these are middle school student, got into a fight. one pulled out a gun and shot the other in the head. the victim is 14 years old. is in hospital but apparently going to survive. the alleged shooter is in custody. the co-founder of rebuild
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the dream went republican strategist. welcome to you both. a fascinating debate there that anderson had with all sorts of voices and all sides of this. but as i said to him, you know, i can't help feeling everyone is missing the point of this debate. the point is the gun, isn't it? >> well, i think that that is a big part of it. what i saw was the sort of tug-of-war between two almost theologies. and my point of view, outside of looking in, seeing a lot of violence in the community level, both are missing the point. there is this theological article of faith that i think that gun control folks have that it is all about the background check. and i think for people in the neighborhood level, they are like, look, guys i see with guns probably are avoiding that. at the same time and also concern about the assault weapons. and the assault weapons, more hand guns. from a community level, they are missing the point. but then on the other side, this commitment to guns at all costs, guns with no controls at all,
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what struck me as almost irrational argument that you ask me, we don't want the gun nets hands of the wrong people but we won't do anything to make sure they don't get there. that, i think, is very alarming. >> i agree. let's watch a clip here np is david wheeler. he is at this connecticut hearing that they had, lots of sandy hook families giving testimony. he gave particularly powerful testimony. he lost his child at sandy hook. listen to what he today say about this issue. >> the liberty of any person to own a military style assault weapon in high capacity magazine and keep them in their home is second to the right of my son to his life. >> kelley ann conway, do you agree with him? >> look, piers, i have four children ages 3 through 8. when you drop them off at school everybody, everybody watching,
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can appreciate you can expect to pick them up at the end of the day. so the grief and empathy for these families will never end. it is tragic. the question of whether this is about guns or not, to me it is incomplete. buz because it is about who is ewing the guns and how did they obtain the guns. if there is a proposition on the table, whether by obama, feinstein or you, that would actually work. i think we've got to stop talking about what makes us feel better and what maybe -- and what actually works, or what sounds kb. when the emotions are this raw for all of us, all want to quote, do something. but we have to do something that works. in the three massacres we are talking about, aurora, tucson and newtown, these guys had their guns legally. the tuesd the tucson shooter passed a back ground check. the guy in aurora would have had the other two weapons to commit
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his crimes. >> kelleyann. you skillfully avoided my question. >> no, i'm not. >> do you agree with the premise with the sand oo hook child's father, that his son's right to live super seeds the right to own an assault rifle. >> well, i'm also pro life, if you want to have a show about that. but i believe that his son's life is a precious right. we also have the second amendment. if politicians don't like it, they need to amend it. we have 3 million guns in this country -- >> let me bring in van. van is chomping at the bit here to get in. >> here is, i think, the big tragedy. so many of the funerals that i go to where there are young people in the casket and older people like me and you in the pews, that pain, that suffering, that loss of life isn't in this discussion at all. nothing stops a bullet like a job.
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you had one person speaking about what it was like to get a lot of the violence stopped. what they said is basically, somebody who these kids will listen to. that's cheap. but we don't spend the money-making sure that the young people who do not have good role models in the home, actually get a chance to have some mentorship. we talk a lot about the violence in the media. you make the point brilliantly. there is violence in the media other places but you don't see the violence. you have the guns here but nothing else. what is not present is male role models that don't use violence. the guys responsible for the young -- >> you are talking about the gang situation that you have. >> yes and it has not been discussed enough. >> yes. >> i agree -- i totally agree. people say, what about chicago. i couldn't agree more. >> we have a young woman whose name hasn't been talked about, a young african-american -- she was gunned down. a stray bullet.
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if we talk about violence, i'm a hundred percent for background checks. but it is a bigger question. my big concern now is you have two theologies -- >> is a cultural question. >> it is a cultural question. one says background checks will solve everybody problem pt another theology says we can't trust america's government. we are so afraid of america's government and so disdaned of america's government that we won't give them the power to protect our children. that's my problem. >> i don't think any of these things will solve the problem. the game plan is to try and reduce the problem. kelleyanne, unless i'm mistaken, you share the view that nra put out, which is that you don't solve gun violence problem in america by reducing the number of guns. >> i just first want it say thank to you van jones because i couldn't have said it better myself. and i agree with everything he said. there are too many people looking for the easy fix here. first of all, there is no easy fix. secondly, he is willing to talk about the societal cultural
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problems. he talked about the gangs. i will talk about the guy in newtown playing video games 24/7 in his mother's basement with nobody paying attention. >> the question to me is who will stand up and realize the more guns have you out there, the more gun violence. >> for me, that is also a no-brainer. i am for reduction in the amount of guns that are out there. i think that right now we are -- in washington, we have 310 million people and 310 million guns. that's a little crazy. but i'm tired of going to funerals. i think that america, we have seen some funerals ofn tv. we don't see a lot of other ones. i think there is a bigger section of the problem. we need background checks, assault weapons ban, but nothing gets a young man to act like a good young man by good mentorship. >> good for you. >> van and kelly, thank you very much. when we come back, live to
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♪ and the home of the brave ♪ the brave >> well, that was the real thing. beyonce today singing the national anthem at there are more than 100 million viewers. welcome to my new colleague, rachel nichols. rachel is live at the superdome. we're thrilled to have you at the cnn family. congratulations on joining us and may you be here for a long and fruitfully successful time. >> thank you so much. your producer, jonathan, had a hand in me being at cnn. we'll see how i do on the rest of the appearance. if i do well, maybe he'll get a bonus. if not, maybe he'll get fired and you'll have to finish by
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yourself. >> let's go through the super bowl story by story. beyonce was an amazing moment today. this is a woman under huge pressure because it turned out she lip synced at the inauguration. what better way to respond than to just immediately burst into a live rendition of the anthem and sing it beautifully. what did you make of that? >> yeah, i certainly thought that was -- sports are about competition, right? if somebody hits you, you want to hit them back harder. she certainly showed the ability to do that, and she talked about what she's going to do during the super bowl. she said she's been rehearsing a lot. she said that was the difference between that and the national anthem. she didn't get a chance to rehearse with the orchestra and she didn't want to take attention away from the president. she said this time there's no
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question, she will be performing live. she said, this is what i was born for. that's a relief now, we know what beyonce was born for. we feel she's going to give it her all on sunday. we'll see how she does. >> that was fabulous. let's turn to the titanic battle on the field. the harbaugh brothers, jim and john, of course, dueling away here. it's a unique situation. you interviewed archie manning, of course, father of two of the great quarterbacks, peyton and eli. tell me about that because there's a particular resonance for him watching these brothers go at it. >> absutely. archie has watched peyton and eli twice. it hasn't gone well for eli. peyton has won twice. he said it's harder to watch your son lose than the other son win.
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he placed a couple calls to jack harbaugh, the patriarch, and said, hey, we know what you're going through. take a listen to what he told me. >> jack harbaugh said you told them, hey, at least when the boys play each other, we can root for eli on offense and peyton on offense. you've got two coaches where both sides of the ball matter. >> i don't know what they do. everybody thinks it's so great. it is a great story for everybody else, but that game is not fun for them. >> what is it like as you're sitting there? you know the cameras are on you. >> you have to endure it. just get through it. you know, after the first game they played, that was in the old giants stadium -- >> the first game, sunday night football, a big deal. >> i told them beforehand, those cameras are going to be on us. >> difficult for sure. and not just a nice visit with archie, but last year, i
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actually got to go to a harbaugh home, spend some time with jack harbaugh and his wife jackie, and they were telling me stories of the boys. one thing that was fun was those guys are 15 months apart. they used to do what a lot of kids do at that age, put a piece of tape down the middle of their shared bedroom because they were fighting so much over whose space was whose. john harbaugh, the older brother, told me he made a key mistake in the battle. he let jim put the tape in a place where the radio was on jim's side, so jim gott to pick the tunes in their entire childhood. not a wise move. we'll see if he has better strategies in the super bowl. >> it's going to be great. i love family tension like that. let's talk about other stories about the super bowl. one is the apology today from the san francisco 49ers corner back, chris culliver over these homophobic remarks. he said he's not that kind of guy. clearly, he is that kind of guy. >> he thought he was being
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baited a bit, but whether here was or not, it was something he said. he said today it was the first thing he thought of, but it's not what is in his heart. he also revealed he has a few gay family members and he talked to his mother. seemed as if his mother was the many people who gave him an earful over those comments and certainly expressed his support of the gay community in san francisco. this has been a topic bubbling to the surface more in the nfl in the past year. the other team in the super bowl, the ravens, there all two players who have come out strongly, one for and one against gay marriage. it's an issue that's going to get more attention in sports in the country over the next year or so. it's an interesting societal study, because you see jackie robinson breaking the color barrier, and so many others in sports. in this issue, sports seems behind. we'll have to see how it catches up to the rest of the country. >> you can have a view on gay marriage, but he was blatantly
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homophobic, and i'm glad he apologized. >> also, the other is the ad for volkswagen, featuring a white man with a jamaican accent, my view is a lot to do about nothing. the tourism minister said he found it funny. first, it's a cool accent, and it makes out jamaica is a happy, positive thing. is that the worst thing that can be said about a country? >> good to hear that from jamaican government. i like to wake up and find out that we haven't offended another country, but there is something about having controversy at the super bowl. everybody wants to have one. look, they have to be loving it over as volkswagen because super bowl ads, $4 million nearly to get 30 seconds. we have probably done 30 seconds here and we're doing it for free.
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they have to be happy. they say they haven't gotten a lot of complaints, and we're giving them free advertising. all's well that ends well. >> jamaica is a good place. i have a lot of friends there, including usain bolt. it's great to talk to you. i think you really cracked it when i hear you giving a big report on cricket. the sooner you get yourself over to england and get into cricket, the better. >> i heard there was a legendary match in 2008 you were involved in. i'm going to look into that a little bit. i'll bone up on my cricket and get back to you. >> rachel, a great pleasure to have you on the show and welcome you to the network. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> rachel nichols and andy johnson kicked off in new orleans, a cnn bleacher report special at 4:00 p.m. eastern. and coming up, my exclusive with casey anthony's attorney.
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to the charge of first degree murder, verdict as to count one, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. as to the charge of aggravated child abuse, count two, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. as to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child, verdict of count three, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. >> verdict that shocked america. casey anthony found not guilty of murdering her daughter. today, casey unemployed and bankrupt. what is life like now? we have the attorney for casey anthony. how are you? >> i'm fine. nice to see you again. >> lots of developments since we last spoke, and last time, i got a chance to speak privately, not on camera, to your client. she was feeling pretty
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vulnerable. she was in hiding. she said i didn't kill my daughter, she said. since then, the developments are two of her four convictions were vacated by the court of appeals and you said we will keep fighting. secondly, she was declared bankrupt last week. "l.a. times" said she's close to a million dollars in debt. what can you tell me about those developments? >> we won in the appellate court in two of the four misdemeanor convictions, and we're preparing, even started today, seeking further relief to dismiss all of the remaining two charges. as to the bankruptcy case, that's not something that i am involved in other than as counsel to casey. we have a bankruptcy lawyer who has filed because clearly she has no money, she has no assets, she has no job, she has no business. and there are people trying to sue her for reasons best known
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to them. perhaps self-aggrandizing and publicity, but casey is insolvent. that's a test for bankruptcy under united states law. >> there's been a big lifetime original movie in the last couple weeks made about casey. stars rob lowe, prosecuting casey anthony. i interviewed rob about this. he said the following. >> would you have personally convicted casey anthony from what you now know about the case? >> my personal opinion is that she absolutely had something to do with her daughter's death. i don't know if it was accident or if it was premeditated. that i don't know to this day, but there's no doubt in my mind at all that she's responsible. >> rob lowe there, he played the prosecutor in the case. what was your view of that?
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did you see the movie? did casey see the movie? >> i did watch the movie. and certain amounts of humor. it was a distortion of the truth. that's why i didn't participate in it. i had been contacted by the moviemakers at the very beginning and asked to participate in it, and they told me it was a story to espouse the prosecutor's view. i refused, and i never had anything further to do with it. and i wouldn't now. it was a distortion from the truth. my view is indeed that the character personalities were distorted, and you know, as you earlier led in, talk about the verdict that shocked america, and america wouldn't have been shocked if the truth had been presented. america wouldn't have been shocked except for the media hyping it for their own
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advertising and rating purposes. the case was fairly simple, frankly. after all of the things we had to go through, there was no evidence saying casey killed that child, period. and i don't care what movie plot is dramatized. that's the bottom line. the jury saw it, and the lawyers and the judges around the country have seen it. and i'm seeing a great shift in people, starting to understand. you're right. they didn't prove the case. because they didn't have a case. >> did casey herself see the movie, do you know? >> you know what, i don't -- i spoke with her. i know she was not intending to watch it because she knew it would be what it is. she may have seen reruns of it by now. but, you know, i'm sure the position is the same. >> how would you describe her
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state of mind? obviously, she's got a lot of problems. and obviously, the movie will have done nothing, i guess, to change many americans' perceptions that she must have had something to do with her daughter's death even though she was, as you say, cleared in the court of law of having to do anything with her child's death. how are you going to work through this in terms of client management and changing public perception? >> there's so many things we have to worry about changing in society. during my almost 70 years, we have watched people change attitudes and opinions on racial questions, political questions, economic questions, military questions. everything that affects our lives. there are people who are never going to accept the reality. there are those who are committed to believing in spite of the absence of evidence that casey killed her child and must have had something to do with it.
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i can't change those people. they're just going to have to die off of old age. the bottom line is that people sometimes get so cast in positions based on what they read, see, and hear from sound bites and short media presentations that there's no objective to do evaluations. they just go with it. we're seeing the same thing in your main program earlier, which i have been watching. how do you change people's mentalities about some things they're just married to? >> one of the ways, of course, could be that she gives an interview, perhaps to me on this show. and speaks honestly for an hour about her experience and tries to communicate with the american public who still doubt her innocence. >> well, you know, look. casey has been besieged by people, a lot of whom, some lawyers, some others involved, i would characterize as being the moths who get too close to the
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fire. just can't resist staying away from something for their own self-promotion. casey did not kill her child. and i don't care how many people want to believe otherwise and say i'm just a defense lawyer. i'm a defense lawyer. i have been one for 42 years. and i have handled quite a few homicide cases. you have to deal with facts that are truthful whether you like them or not. you have to deal with the evidence. that's why we have rules of evidence. and we had a case that was hard fought. we didn't have a judge that was helping us. we had a judge that was very stern in that courtroom about his rulings. we had all of the media hype in the world, as you know, everybody condemning casey, proclaiming her guilt until the jury came in and as you said, shocked the world. my gosh, they looked objectively
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at it and those people who choose not to believe that are not going to change their minds because they have watched piers morgan and cheney mason saying that. i understand that. all i can say is stop and question. question authority. question the facts and say, okay, what did we miss that the jury got? this could go on forever. >> what is casey's relationship now with her family? obviously, the trial tore them all apart, but has there been any repairing of the damage there? >> i don't think so. i know casey would like to have a normal life, if there is such thing ever available in her future. it's not likely to be with a family that prosecuted her. it's not likely to be with someone who went to a grand jury and testified against her to help get her indicted. it's not likely to be family
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that did all they could to try to help the state kill her. i should never forgive those in the family that did that, and i don't think casey will either. >> she's lost her daughter. she's lost her relationship with her closest family members. she's got no money. she's clearly, i would imagine, continues to feel vulnerable, frightened. you know her state of mind better than me. it's a pretty awful place to find yourself, particularly, if as the jury concluded, she was innocent of anything to do with her daughter's death. how is she coping with this on a human level? >> the best way i can describe it is with anxiety. casey wants to have a normal life. she wants to be left alone. she wants lawyers to quit suing her in meaningless,
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nonmeritorious lawsuits that can only be characterized as being done for their own publicity and aggrandizement without merit. she needs to be left alone. and that's why she filed a petition for bankruptcy, so the federal bankruptcy court can help her be left alone, and people just quit trying to profit off of her and her emotions and the tragedy. it's going to be a long time for her. >> does she have much exposure to meeting members of the public, and if she does, what is the kind of reaction that she gets? >> she does not have current exposure. i can tell you that there are members of the public still today who when they see me and/or some of the other lawyer team, confront and question and
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are argumentative. however, there are also substantially more now that are saying, you know, good job. i understand. i now know. i think the jury was right. you know, they should not have convicted her. so along that process is casey. she's sitting back there where she can't go out for fear of retaliation. her personal safety is continually at risk. there are plenty of cowards out there that would try to confront this 105-pound little girl and challenge her because of their ignorance. that's not going to go away anytime soon, but her team of lawyers i helped assemble and we put together to do this are going to continue to fight for her, to protect her and help her try at some point to have a normal life. i don't know when that's going to be since we have media doing
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such cute things as saying she is the most hated woman in the world. how can she go do anything like that? how can she walk down the street of manhattan or miami or orlando or houston, anywhere else, without people pointing and whispering and some wanting to get their few minutes of fame by assaulting and threatening her? we're doing our best to prevent that from happening so she will remain in seclusion as long as it takes. >> jay, thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> thank you. when we come back, the movie that's getting lots of oscar buzz, "silver linings playbook." and jennifer lawrence is racing to my studio at high speed and may or may not make it. this is actually quite dramatic. i hope she does. oh this is soft.
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it might have made you feel worse, but i didn't know anything. i didn't know how to handle it. i mean, us spending time now. >> scene from "silver linings playbook." it's funny, it's powerful. it's moving, it's inspiring. here now, the man who made it happen. director and screenwriter, david o. russell. welcome to you, david. we have jennifer lawrence speeding her way here. she may or may not make it in time. if she doesn't, we're going to interview her after the show and run it tomorrow. you're the guy who -- >> diva. >> a diva. i expect nothing else. if i were as talented as she is, i would be a diva, too. this is a real labor of love for you. the reason being the character
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played by bradley cooper is a bipolar character, he has mental problems, and the movie takes you through this journey and comes out of it on the other end. your son suffers from similar issues and it was a very personal issue. >> when you're a parent of a child with a mood disorder, it takes over your life. me and matthew's mother janet, and you find yourself in a maelstrom of doctors because they have moods that can turn your house upside down. a simple conversation is very different than what people would expect normally. and i was very inspired when the whole thing to me is to make the people feel loved and supported and embraced. you would do anything for your child, wouldn't you? >> yes. >> i would do anything to help my child feel a part of the world. i thought, how wonderful it would be if you could make a movie that could be a great story, it could be funny, it
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could be real and emotional. and it would be about people like this. people jennifer and bradley play. >> what i like about it, it doesn't sugar coat the illness aspect. it doesn't try and enter some fantasy world with it. it's real, it's there, and it has to be dealt with. it's how the characters, quite uniquely, i think, all four of the lead characters in the movies have been oscar nominated. i can see why because they all play vital roles in this journey of the mental illness becoming not accepted so much as dealt with in the proper way, not stigmatized. that's the key message i drew from the movie. that the way to deal with this, 100 million americans suffer from some form of mental illness, depression, whatever. you can't have that number of people in america feeling stigmatized. you have to do something to help them embrace it and deal with it. >> i couldn't say it better than you said it. the embracing aspect of jennifer and bradley's character is everything.
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i have had so many people come forward to me since the film has been out and say thank god. i myself -- someone comes up and says i'm bipolar, and i will never again not take my medication, or thank you, i can talk about it. this is how we as a society end up dealing with it, only when it's a crisis. which is nuts. i mean, you know, i personally felt stigmatized being the only one often at a school or restaurant with our son facing these challenges. the other families at the school have become everything to us because you become a community and you embrace it. but to remove the stigma gives us a chance to embrace it and know it and treat it and not ignore it or push it aside. >> i hope anyone who suffers from any mental illness or who is related to someone who does goes and sees the movie because it will give them, i think, the inspiration for how it should
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best be dealt with. i have to take a break because breaking news. jennifer lawrence is in the building. the diva has arrived. so she will join us after the break.
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i want to thank david. you made a movie that was -- you made a movie for your son so he wouldn't feel alone and so he could feel understood, and i think i can speak on behalf of most of us in saying you helped more than your son. you helped so many sons and daughters and husbands, wives, everybody. >> david o. russell, jennifer lawrence's heartfelt speech. jennifer is outside my studio, isn't coming in yet. not quite sure why. can you shed any light on this, david? >> this is all mysterious.
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>> has she had another wardrobe malfunction? >> i think so. >> tell me about jennifer lawrence as an actor since she's not coming out to tell me? >> i wrote this script five years ago and i tried to make it five years ago and i was frustrated and jennifer lawrence was in high school five years ago. from the parents home in kentucky, she dressed up like the character, knocked it out of the park. she's very authentic and unpretentious and unprecious about herself. she has a confidence that is very much like the character in the film. she at one moment -- but she can still be very vulnerable. in one moment she can look like she's 40 and others like she's 18. i said, gosh, why don't you eat? i want to you look like a real woman in this. i don't want you to not be
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starving yourself. and she said, oh, my god, no director has ever said that to me before and she went out and got a deep-fried chilly cheesesteak and that opened up her spirit. i think she felt very comfortable and jumped into the role. >> like i said, having four stars all getting nominated, in all the categories, pretty unique. probably has been done before. i can't remember it in modern times. >> it's been 31 years. >> right. a great achievement. a must from your point of view, like a holy grail achievement, right? the ultimate that you would wish for? >> i'm very proud of it. that's what i had most hoped for. robert deniro and jennifer lawrence and bradley cooper were all nominated. our performance is about personality and emotion and nothing else than humans struggling in their family every day and so to have each one
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recognized, we created a world and a home, piers, we were in a home in philadelphia with italian food cooking for 39 days of our shoot and for them to be acknowledged for everything they crafted, i mean, bradley cooper had to create a character that is bipolar. and you have to craft that. very specific. >> she's approaching at high speed. that's what i'm talking about. >> sorry. i got late. i'm so sorry. hi. >> this is as good as it gets. the world's hottest actress, better late than never, young lady. >> i had no idea i was late. >> how are you? >> i'm good. >> you look fabulous. >> thank you. >> how is kendall? i want to read you a quote. this is from "rolling stone" magazine. and the review said that you were some kind of miracle. she's rude and dirty, funny,
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foul-mouthed, sloppy, sexy, vibrant and vulnerable, sometimes all in the same scene, even in the same breath. no list of best actress oscar contenders would be complete without electrifying lawrence. she lights up the screen. >> oh, my god. >> i mean wow. >> wow. >> you've been guilty to all those descriptions? >> i'm going to have to read over them again but -- >> are you rude? >> well, unintentionally, yes, unfortunately. >> are you dirty? >> well, i mean -- i'm not dirty. what does that mean? no, i am not dirty. >> in the best way -- >> i'm not afraid of dirt. >> that's a good compromise. >> there we go. >> are you funny? we know you are funny. >> are you foul-mouthed? >> yes. >> are you going to try and change that? >> yes, i am working on it. >> are you going to try to be better? >> yes. >> are you sloppy? >> yeah. this is horrible. why did i even rush here. >> are you sexy? >> no.
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>> you don't think you're sexy? >> no. >> really? >> no. >> what do you think when you look in the mirror? >> well -- i -- i just -- i'm just trying to figure out what to do with what i got. it's like, all right. >> are you vibrant? i think you're vibrant. >> i can be colorful. i can be loud. >> vulnerable? >> yes. >> what have you got to be vulnerable about? you're the best actress in the world right now? >> thank you. well, i think everybody has their own, like -- it's a very easy place to be vulnerable. everybody kind of seems to know everything about you and so -- >> what i loved about you, i loved your speeches. i love your acting. let's move on to more fun stuff. you are hilarious and sort of completely different than most speeches because you made me laugh and seemed sincere and i also love your brilliant
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recoveries from wardrobe malfunctions. let's take a look at this. this was from the globes the other day. this was genius. every woman i know -- >> oh, my god. don't do it. don't play it. >> i think we've got it. >> oh, my god. oh my god. i haven't seen this yet. no. >> oh, god. >> what happened? what happened? >> my pants fell off. >> what? your pants fell off? >> well, wait, somebody trips me on the way. i remember that. >> your pants? >> yeah. i got tripped. yep. there it starts to fall off. and then i'm keeping it together, keeping it together and then my pants fall off again. oh -- >> what pants -- >> open. yep. oh, god. oh, god. >> we're going to take a break and get your clearly shocked reaction. >> it was a tiered dress.
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